You Think he takes steroids?

WHAT?!?

technically you shouldn't do ANY lifting until 18. some people wait till 19 because they still grow. people's growth will stunt because of lifting weights and it's better to wait until your body is ready for it.

the story with the "little hercules" is a sad one. the dad forces him into that lifestyle, ever since he was a little one. the dad failed at life, and wants to make up for it with his son. the son didn't choose the life he has, so make fun of the failure dad, not him.

The thing is people get this false impression that body builders are actually strong. Sure they can lift heavy weight but it's not like he could whip someones ass in a fight. Every watch the World Strongest Man competition and these guys DO NOT look like bodybuilders, some of them even look fat. But they are still the strongest guys in the world. Any Heavyweight boxer can KO the fuck out of any bodybuilder and any strongmen thats not trained. (Mariusz Pudgionowski is different considering hes a black belt in karate)

actually if u look himupp att wikepedia u can see that his father gave hims teriods

How comes ray didnt understand the question? lol everyone else did...
Yeh that kids fucked for real i would hate to be like that at his age.

Professor wrote:The thing is people get this false impression that body builders are actually strong. Sure they can lift heavy weight but it's not like he could whip someones ass in a fight. Every watch the World Strongest Man competition and these guys DO NOT look like bodybuilders, some of them even look fat. But they are still the strongest guys in the world. Any Heavyweight boxer can KO the fuck out of any bodybuilder and any strongmen thats not trained. (Mariusz Pudgionowski is different considering hes a black belt in karate)

Are you saying that bodybuilders/weightlifters aren't strong? or are you saying they arent boxers? Cause when it comes to being professionals its completely 2 different things. Just like MMA and Boxing. Weightlifters/bodybuilders are in most cases strong but boxers they are not, nor do they claim to be. Now if you have a guy that lifts weights and loves to street fight many heavyweights may have chewed off more than they bargained for.

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Lmao, wierd.

The father needs an ass kicking.

goldenboy88 wrote:small fast and in shape with some skill will beat big and strong 9 times out of 10. I wouldnt consider myself even slightly strong but I use technique to generate all my power. strength has nothing to do with it

This, and no bodybuilding streetfighter can beat a heavyweight monk. Kimbo will soon find himself getting owned in MMA. And MMA is more suited for streetfighters than boxing is. Which in that case he would be outclassed. And Ronnie Coleman can't fight. I can almost guarantee it.

Kimbo got already beat by a guy who could not make it in UFC.

(Sean Gannon an amateur MMA fighter and police officer beat Kimbo Slice in a challenge bare knuckle boxing match. After that Sean got bit famous and was given his break in the UFC. Needlessly to say he never had a change in the first place...).

But then again this was all before Kimbo started training in FFA. Now he is training hard in legit MMA gym with Bas Rutten and the Avellan brothers.

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goldenboy88 wrote:small fast and in shape with some skill will beat big and strong 9 times out of 10. I wouldnt consider myself even slightly strong but I use technique to generate all my power. strength has nothing to do with it

This, and no bodybuilding streetfighter can beat a heavyweight monk. Kimbo will soon find himself getting owned in MMA. And MMA is more suited for streetfighters than boxing is. Which in that case he would be outclassed. And Ronnie Coleman can't fight. I can almost guarantee it.

I was just debating the definition of strong actually. Bodybuliders are weak I guess. my bad

but to tell ya truth if i was stuck underneath a truck that fell off a jack, id much rather have a bodybuilder or weightlifter trying to lift it off me if I had my choice..

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monkeytail wrote:I was just debating the definition of strong actually. Bodybuliders are weak I guess. my bad but to tell ya truth if i was stuck underneath a truck that fell off a jack, id much rather have a bodybuilder or weightlifter trying to lift it off me if I had my choice..

Prof isn't saying builders aren't strong, he is saying that they lack power. However, a trained & experienced boxer has power and would therfore win a fight between the two.

Powerlifters, bodybuilders and whatever are strong and definately stronger than the average Joe. However in my experience it is all about pratical application of this power. People who go to gym and train powerlifting etc. have lto of strenght in those exact line of motions they train/lift. Outside that specific line of motion their ability to produce force drops significantly. It has something (a lot) to do with nerve system.

Wrestling strenght for example is whole another thing from gym strenght. A guy weigting significantly less can have far more pure "wrestling strenght" than a guy who is lot bigger. In wrestling people are always pushing their muscles to the extreme in odd angles via all kind of lines of motion twisting using whole posterior muscle chain.

Good example of this is Alexander Karelin (I suppose everyone has heard of him.) Alexander Karelin is by far the strongest wrestler ever in terms of strenght. Yet when he participated in world strongest man type of competition, just for the fun of it, he did poorly being unable to finish several of the things they do in those type of competitions. Yet having wrestled a bit for the show and out of fun with those same strongmen guys Karelin commented that they felt physically weak on the mat. He tossed them around like he would toss around a kid.

Now what bodybuilder, powerlifters etc. have going on for themself is pure size/mass. All that mass is hard to move around when it comes to grappling. Since F=ma it also gives them edge in punching. A big guy may punch somewhat slow put you can bet that if he hits it is going to hurt due to mass being a factor in producing force and then there is the equation of impact.

Hmm lets see...

if m= mass the puncher is able to put behind his punch (note! with better technique one can put more body mass behind a punch)

v= speed of the punch

we get momentum for the punch which is p=mv

Now person being punched is an object that has momentum (which is zero) as he is not moving. Punch also has a momentum. Now since he is being punched and change in momentum of an object is equal to the force applied to it multiplied by the time over which it was applied we get impulse which is change in momentum. The punch itself goes trough change in momentum from full momentum to zero.

Impulse = Force x Time

The punch itself goes trough change in momentum from full momentum to zero. For this reason the change in momentum is equal to the final momentum:

Force x Time = mv

ma x t = mv |:t

ma = (mv)/t

F= (mv)/t

Force = impulse/time

force (in Newtons) = (mass (in kg) x velocity (in m/s) / time (in seconds)

So according to the equation the more mass punch has "behind" it the harder the punch is and the more speed punch has the harder the punch is. So a FAST punch with WHOLE BODYWEIGHT behind it should be strongest punch according to this equation.

However I am having a sligth WTF moment here. Lets take a look at teh final equation which is F=(mv)/t . Now according to this equation the smaller the time punch contacts opponent the harder the punch is. IN other words the more of a PUSHING kind of movement punch is the less force it produces. Snappy whiplike punch is harder.

HOWEVER this is where the WTF moment comes into play because the longer time force is applied to a system the greater.. well something

If we apply a force to the system, it changes the momentum P= ft, In classical mechanics, momentum is the product of the mass and velocity of an object p=mv

in this case... uh I am too tired for this now and dont know what is it but something is bugging me about this related to the time punch makes contact to opponents face.

Maybe some else has solution to that.