Messages posted by: Mikkel

Donny_king wrote:Next we will have you watching UFC Mikkel.

I do watch it when it's on Eurosport.

Hmm I did some more research on JCs career and watched some more of his old fights and I'm slowly starting to change my view on him. He was/is better than I thought.
I like his style and he has better technique at a closer look than what you see at first. Only thing I can blame him of is not fighting jones/toney/hopkins back then, but I blame them as well for not fighting him.
It's very annoying that top people like that are not fighting each other and waste their talent figthing lesser opponents. But I guess it's business and politics.
Btw, JC is much better than Hatton. He is much more solid.

Well I knew about Mitchel and Benn, but Mitchel is not anything special, though good. And Eubank was on his way out, getting too old and been in his best wars. Again an example of Joe getting the best of his opponents when they are done.
I was talking about just one or two ELITE names on his record, names that belongs to the ultimate top and in PRIME.
You can't name one..not even ONE on 15 years of boxing on this wannabe legends record.
It will forever haunt Calzaghe that he didnt step up when he could.
. Because this discussion will go on and on forever everywhere.
I respect Hatton alot more because it seems that he is willing to fight whoever.
I hope JC will enjoy his Money, because he can't really enjoy what he did in boxing..
PS calling people idiots and biased because they dont agree with you should be below your level.

Earnie_Shavers wrote:Almost every boxer in the world doesn't fight the best or most dangerous fighters if they have a good chance of losing, that will ruin their paydays.

And thats whats ruining the sport.

RJJ wasn't much better. I could never forgive him for not fighting Watson, Benn, Eubank..that would have been some fights. And of course Calzaghe. So it goes two ways, don't think I only criticize the English fighters.

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Dark Destroyer wrote:

Mikkel wrote:When Tyson were at top, Holyfield,Bowe and Lewis were just getting started. They would have met if Tyson didn't goto jail.

But basically my point is still valid. He didnt fight anyone who were prime and real good. Not saying the others did it constantly, but at least they did it a few times.
A fight with Jones, Toney or Hopkins 7-10 years ago would have been enough but sadly it never happend. Why this didnt happen doesnt matter, it might be Jones fault as well.
But the point is, it didnt happen. How can that make him a legend ? His best results are Kessler and Lacy unless you wan't to count in the win over the human punching bag RJJ. For Christ Sake !
Legend = Ali
Legend = Hagler
How can Calzaghe then be a legend ? Unless theres different degrees of legends. He could be like a "midget legend" or something.

I just have to laugh at that, Calzaghe not a legend?, hahaha, I'm not going to continue this discussion, your comments are laughable, Ali and Hagler he is not, but he is a legend in his own right.

So you agree with me that he is in the lower division of the legends ? the Dwarf Division ?

Besides, where do the "go for the legends names in his last fights " fit in with him fighting Peter Manfredo ?

Ill post his record: what a patheric collection of bums and over the hills.

46 Wins (32 knockouts, 14 decisions), 0 Losses, 0 Draws[39]
Res. Opponent Type Rd., Time Date Location Notes
Win Roy Jones Jr. Decision (unanimous) 12 2008-11-08 New York City, USA Retained Ring Light Heavyweight title.
Win Bernard Hopkins Decision (split) 12 2008-04-19 Las Vegas, Nevada, USA Won Ring Light Heavyweight title held by Hopkins.
Win Mikkel Kessler Decision (unanimous) 12 2007-11-03 Cardiff, Wales Super Middleweight championship
bout for Calzaghe's WBO SuperMiddleweight
title and Kessler's WBA and WBC titles.
Win Peter Manfredo TKO 3 (12), 1:30 2007-04-07 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Sakio Bika Decision (unanimous) 12 2006-10-14 Manchester, England Retained IBF and WBO Super
Middleweight titles. Vacated the IBF
title after this fight.
Win Jeff Lacy Decision (unanimous) 12 2006-03-04 Manchester, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title
and won IBF Super Middleweight title.
Win Evans Ashira Decision (unanimous) 12 2005-09-10 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Mario Veit TKO 6 (12), 0:42 2005-05-07 Braunschweig, Germany Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Kabary Salem Decision (unanimous) 12 2004-10-22 Edinburgh, Scotland Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Mger Mkrtchian TKO 7 (12), 1:05 2004-02-21 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Byron Mitchell TKO 2 (12) 2003-06-28 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Tocker Pudwill KO 2 (12), 0:39 2002-12-14 Newcastle, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Miguel Ángel Jiménez Decision (unanimous) 12 2002-08-17 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Charles Brewer Decision (unanimous) 12 2002-04-20 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Will McIntyre TKO 4 (12), 0:45 2001-10-13 Copenhagen, Denmark Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Mario Veit TKO 1 (12), 1:52 2001-04-28 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Richie Woodhall TKO 10 (12), 0:28 2000-12-16 Sheffield, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Omar Sheika TKO 5 (12), 2;08 2000-08-12 Wembley, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win David Starie Decision (unanimous) 12 2000-01-29 Manchester, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Rick Thornberry Decision (unanimous) 12 1999-06-05 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Robin Reid Decision (split) 12 1999-02-13 Newcastle, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Juan Carlos Gimenez TKO 9 (12), 3:00 1998-04-25 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Branko Sobot TKO 3 (12), 1:35 1998-01-24 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Chris Eubank Decision (unanimous) 12 1997-10-11 Sheffield, England Won WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Luciano Torres TKO 3 (10) 1997-06-05 Bristol, England Relinquished BBBofC British Super
Middleweight title after this fight.
Win Tyler Hughes KO 1 (10) 1997-03-22 Manchester, England
Win Carlos Christie TKO 2 (10) 1997-01-21 Bristol, England
Win Pat Lawlor TKO 2 (10) 1996-05-15 Cardiff, Wales
Win Warren Stowe TKO 2 (10) 1996-05-04 Dagenham, England
Win Mark Delaney TKO 5 (12) 1996-04-20 Brentwood, England Retained BBBofC British Super
Middleweight title.
Win Anthony Brooks TKO 2 (10) 1996-03-13 Wembley, England
Win Guy Stanford TKO 1 (10) 1996-02-13 Cardiff, Wales
Win Stephen Wilson TKO 8 (12) 1995-10-28 London, England Won vacant BBBofC British Super
Middleweight title.
Win Nick Manners TKO 4 (10) 1995-09-30 Basildon, England
Win Tyrone Jackson TKO 4 (

, 1:08 1995-07-08 York, England
Win Robert Curry TKO 1 (

1995-05-19 London, England
Win Bobbie Joe Edwards Decision (unanimous) 8 1995-02-22 Telford, England
Win Frank Minton KO 1 (

, 1:25 1995-02-14 London, England
Win Trevor Ambrose TKO 2 (

1994-11-30 Wolverhampton, England
Win Mark Lee Dawson TKO 1 (6) 1994-10-01 Cardiff, Wales
Win Karl Barwise TKO 1 (6) 1994-06-04 Cardiff, Wales
Win Darren Littlewood TKO 1 (6) 1994-03-01 Dudley, England
Win Martin Rosamond TKO 1 (6) 1994-01-22 Cardiff, Wales
Win Spencer Alton TKO 2 (4) 1993-12-16 Newport, Wales
Win Paul Mason TKO 1 (4) 1993-11-10 Watford, England
Win Paul Hanlon TKO 1 (4) 1993-10-0

Dark Destroyer wrote:

Mikkel wrote:When Tyson were at top, Holyfield,Bowe and Lewis were just getting started. They would have met if Tyson didn't goto jail.

But basically my point is still valid. He didnt fight anyone who were prime and real good. Not saying the others did it constantly, but at least they did it a few times.
A fight with Jones, Toney or Hopkins 7-10 years ago would have been enough but sadly it never happend. Why this didnt happen doesnt matter, it might be Jones fault as well.
But the point is, it didnt happen. How can that make him a legend ? His best results are Kessler and Lacy unless you wan't to count in the win over the human punching bag RJJ. For Christ Sake !
Legend = Ali
Legend = Hagler
How can Calzaghe then be a legend ? Unless theres different degrees of legends. He could be like a "midget legend" or something.

I just have to laugh at that, Calzaghe not a legend?, hahaha, I'm not going to continue this discussion, your comments are laughable, Ali and Hagler he is not, but he is a legend in his own right.

So you agree with me that he is in the lower division of the legends ? the Dwarf Division ?

When Tyson were at top, Holyfield,Bowe and Lewis were just getting started. They would have met if Tyson didn't goto jail.

But basically my point is still valid. He didnt fight anyone who were prime and real good. Not saying the others did it constantly, but at least they did it a few times.
A fight with Jones, Toney or Hopkins 7-10 years ago would have been enough but sadly it never happend. Why this didnt happen doesnt matter, it might be Jones fault as well.
But the point is, it didnt happen. How can that make him a legend ? His best results are Kessler and Lacy unless you wan't to count in the win over the human punching bag RJJ. For Christ Sake !
Legend = Ali
Legend = Hagler
How can Calzaghe then be a legend ? Unless theres different degrees of legends. He could be like a "midget legend" or something.
You say he wants massive names ? Sure the Hopkins fight were somewhat legit but the RJJ fight ? RJJ was washed up, everyone knew it, he was koed two times not long ago. It showed totally in the fight, it wasnt a fight. The guy had no coordination.
How on earth can Cal be so damn proud of this pathethic showing. It's a crime putting a fight like that on PPV.
Once again he bored us to death just because he is too afraid to fight real fighters.
How on earth can a fight like that be a bigger fight than a Pavlik fight ?
It looks as if he is going for the cheap shots instead for the real challenges.
IF he beats Pavlik and Dawson, mad respect from me. But based on his previous carreer, it's so sadly obvious that it won't happen.
His style is more to fiil a stadium with 50000 drunken holygans to cheer him beat up some poor bum.

Earnie_Shavers wrote:Big example of someone not fighting the best competition right now is Mayweather. He is known as great, but he blatentley ducked Margarito, Williams, Cotto, Clottey, Berto who are clearly the top fighters at WW. Instead he fights a shot Gatti, Judah, Baldomir, Mitchell.

Why don't you question him but question Calzaghe? Cuz he's British.

Before the fight this weekend, almost everybody said that Hatton would get outboxed by Paulie. Now all of a sudden Paulie is shit. I don't get it. Great logic tho....

I never said Paulie is shit..it's a good win for Hatton. I dont question Calzaghe because he is british but because of his record.
The question here is not if Cal and Hatton are good but if they are GREAT !. And if you think so, comeup with a legit reason why. I think not and stated my reasons.
At least thats what I thought we were discussing. Of course they are good fighters.
Reason why I'm talking about the brits (Hatton, Cal) records right now is because this thread is about Hatton, it's not like I don't see Floyds ducking tactics.
Floyd is only better than Hatton because he beat him, not because his previous record is so much better.
I seriously doubt Floydd, in my book he is a damn ducker.
He is nowhere close to the previous greats.
Not fighting Margarito ? Not fighting Cotto ? wth is that !

Calcaghe is almost there, if he beat Pavlik and Dawson he has proven himself.
If Hatton beats Cotto or Margarito he is there as well.
It just takes a few fights to elevate yourself to the highest level, but you have to fight the ultimate best to get there.

DD, whos pulling who down ? It seems to me that you are trying to pull Hatton up like this was some huge win.
I give credit where credit is due that's all. I don't give Calzaghe a lot of credit because the way he handpicks his opponent
when they are just ripe for the taking. He should be fighting the likes of Dawson and Pavlik but instead he goes on legend hunting, wasting his last precious years on fighters like Jones and Hopkins.

A true great fighter just demolishes his division. A good example is Tyson, though it wasn't the best era,
he ducked noone, he just lined them up. Same with Ali.
I think Calzaghe wants to be in that category but he is not willing to take the neccessary risks.
Besides, your wrong. Some records can't be "picked apart".

Examples.
Ali
Duran
Hagler
Hearns
Robinson
Leonard
Holyfield

I agree that RJJ and Hopkins careers are not in that category, but they took risks and fought the best of the best a few times. Something that Calzaghe can't claim, unless you think that Mikkel Kessler (lol) is "the best of the best".

Yaa but it's ur own fault..because who did u beat ?

U can make the bum/past his prime point in each case.

Had Calzaghe beat some established prime great fighter no problem.

Had Hatton beat Mayweather no problem.

But the Malinaggis of the world only count as a good result, no thing more.

Only british fighter I give full props is Lewis.

Earnie_Shavers wrote:I'm waiting for "Paulie is a bum, that win means nothing"

Ya know the usual shit?

It is what it is, he beat a good fighter nothing else. Don't act like he beat Cotto or something. We all know where Hattons limit is..when he steps up to the Floyd Mayweather class of opposition, he gets beat.
What is it with you brits ? You have been in the boxing shadow of US for so long and now you try to prove a point that you've finally stepped out of it.

But producing a Calzaghe and Hatton doenst make up for it.
These guys are good but got to where they are more out of clever management than anything else. It's not like they pulverized their divisions, taking on everybody everywhere.
I'm from Denmark and I have no illusion that Kessler is the next Ray Robinson..
The best you've had so far is Lewis but he was schooled to that level in America.

EDDIE54 wrote:Yeh Defo ..
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